Thoughts on Control

KryptonKnight · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 10:34 pm

A ban on drugs is ridiculous because everyone who wants them can still get them BUT a ban on guns is great because then no one can get them.

I have an idea, let's just make it illegal to murder and then no one can do it and we will all be safe. HUH!

The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson

If guns kill people all of mine must all be defective.

A million plus women have decided to own a firearm. You might call it their right to choose.

Stop school shootings. There are thousands of well trained unemployed veterans who would love the job of protecting school children.

And while I am at it, I object and take exception to everyone saying that President Obama and the Congress are spending money like a drunken sailor. As a former drunken sailor I always quit when I ran out of money. P. McAndrew MM2, USN retired

etc1006 · **Posted:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:21 pm

Yep, gun control is being able to hit your target. Ban spoons, forks and knives they make people fat!

6-71 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2013 10:10 am

Well MM2 one interesting post regarding current events, as a Navy Veteran of 13 years and some change AO1 (AW) As stated by you the analogy of spending like a drunken sailor is that when we have money we did go buck wild and eventually we'd run out of money but don't care until reality hits much like our leaders are doing right now. My first ship was the USS Midway CV-41 homeported in Yokosuka (Yokoska) Japan and I spent many a port visits in Olongapo City, Philippines and a lot of drunken sailor spending since a lot of spending could go a long way at .25 cent beers!

Gun control, well I'll leave it alone. But I do own and I do not want to lose my rights because of a few idiots wanting there 15 minutes of fame.

Dansgt · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2013 12:58 pm

I work at a local High School and i'm a Vet. and we have a sheriff officer at our school i guess i don't need to carry any guns. but i think that's a great idea employing vets to help everyone out and provide a safe place for our kids when they go to school. good idea Paul but all the red tape and Lawyers out there that might never happen. sorry to say. unless its one of their kids involved. Keep to hear from our President who training to be an officer of the law.

6-71 · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:19 pm

Actually I was hoping we could put all these illegals to work in our schools since they have the dream act and since being a veteran is more of just a word and an occassional discount at Lowes or a free meal at Applebees!

I am so sick of feeling that my/our sacrifices of serving our country is just a thing you do when you do when you have no future or nothing better to do. I didn't have a place to go after 6.5 years of living in a boys home and so I joined the Navy, I served with guys with 4 year degrees as an enlisted guy so we all served for many differents reasons. :btu:

I might not of busted my butt everyday in the Navy but I was in Desert Storm, and started Southern Watch and I spent 1/2 of my 13 years overseas straight. So I worked on many holidays and special events in which most Americans can and usually can enjoy with those they care about. So much of this political climate right now really rubs me wrong because we hired these people to be our voices and not there agendas.

Seriously I hope our veterans can be given opportunities to have employment and live the dream of a free nation because of there much deserved service. I didn't mean to hi-jack this into a political pissing contest over views. I am humbled to have served our country and to wear the name Veteran. :bows:

jackhardy · **Posted:** Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:42 pm

unfortunately our politicians dont care about living up to their campaign promises. Things started going south when a draft dodger was elected into the white house.
And 6-71, no need to appologize, most of the times, veterans affairs are politicized

6-71 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:16 pm

Jack there is one thing I believe us guys can agree on: Boobies :bows:

Yeah you know I was totally amazed when Little Rock changed it's airport name to the Bill and Hilary Clinton airport. These are the same two people who became NY State citizens and left the Natural State hanging in the wind!

On a brighter note: How 'bout those Ravens!

gtvert01 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:23 am

Well now there are two stories in the paper about Elementary kids getting suspended by using their finger and thumb as a gun and saying Pow. The latest were two 6 year old playing cops and robbers on the playground and were suspended for playing a kids game that kids have played forever. Has America lost all common sense? :confused2:

I guess I'd better watch out. New Year's Eve we had a party with lots of families over with their kids. All of the boys and girls grabbed my son's Nerf guns and had a battle royale upstairs. I'm such a horrible parent. I should have made them just sit and play the who can keep quiet the longest game.

6-71 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:39 am

Never had my own children, but my view is this: You spare the rod and you lose control. :stickwhack:

I lived in a boys home and I got the schlitz beat out of me for some retarded things, so the crime and punishiment should somehow meet in the middle.

Children will be children and if they understand boundaries then they know when they screw up. This point goes along with adults and in this case teachers in school. Be real and think outside the box and know when to act and when to let kids be kids. School and homes have lost touch with boundaries and respect and understanding that parents have a role in this kid raising and if you make the school do something they weren't originally meant to do then you'll surely be let down and disappointed. And society has failed these kids because of thee disconnect at home and what they needed to learn at home so that entry into the world will be one they'd want to experience.

The whole nation is hardover on this gun deal and maybe kids need to play cowboys and indians or whatever with fake knives since they injure and kill more people than guns do and maybe it will be on a level focus for the media. :nono:

Ninja's and Samurai's on the play field at lunch time and that'd make some great media coverage! :touche:

Defyant · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:15 pm

Arm the teachers, custodians or volunteers - whoever! You'll never get rid of guns. The OP is right on the mark! Fight fire with fire, guns with guns! Our children are stuck in gun free zones - lambs awaiting the wolves!

These active shooters are pussies anyway. Most take themselves out when faced with equal force! Seriously people; i doubt we'll see another hijacked plane in the US thanks to the brave souls on Flight 93 who fought back. We need the same mentality in our schools. But first, we need to make a stand IN the school, and take out the shooter!

6-71 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:29 pm

Yes I would agree with your points, this is such a difficult topic and I am not sure of the correct answer. Fear is giving in to a passive way. We should take the fight to the fight and way the risks of controling our schools and any place we gather with in reasonable means.

When you have conseal carry states you have less trouble and that power is with the people. Not everyone needs a consealed weapon and it does require sound judgement and responsibility.

If it is not guns then it is knives, then it is sticks and then fist and finally words. How did we get this way? :confused3:

Defyant · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:07 pm

gtvert01 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:10 pm

Definitely a different world. I just had to worry about maybe getting in a fist fight. I never thought once that someone would just come in with a gun and take everyone out. I knew kids that hunted that had rifles in their cars and it was OK so long as they stayed in the cars. Now you'd be sent away for a long time if you did that today.

6-71 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:34 pm

gtvert01 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:28 am

I blame the parents of these kids on their addiction to social media. Who's 8 year old needs an iPhone and a Facebook account? Parents need to learn to tell their kids NO and teach the kids that its not the end of the world when someone says NO to you. The parents also need to pull themselves away from their own iPhones and tablets and pay attention to their kids. Take them outside, ride bikes with them, go camping with them, do something with them that doesn't involve shopping for more crap they don't need and actually teaches them some life skills. All of these parents want to be "friends" with their kids. You have to be parents and you have to do all of the ugly stuff that goes along with it like telling them NO and asking them where they are going and with who and make sure that is who they are with and meet the parents of their friends.

Both of our kids are in sports and Craig is in Boy Scouts. He actually said to me one day "Dad it's fun going camping and hanging out with everyone without video games and TV. It's fun to get away from it all and just have fun and talk." I told him I like that as well.

Don't get me wrong. My kids have cell phones but they are just phones not smart phones...hell I don't even have a smart phone. The rule was once they were in Middle School they could get a phone and that was because they come home by themselves then and have a long walk to the house. My daughter has a Facebook page but she didn't get that until she was in 10th grade and the rules were I had to be her friend so I could watch her account. Neither one of them are really addicted to it I would say. Half of the time my son doesn't even have his phone on him. I have to remind him to take it in case he needs to call us or we need to call him.

6-71 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:10 am

As the onion gets peeled back we find that it is us who are to blame. I used "us" because our generations right now are the damn problem. We've forgotten to lead by example and I mean leading with positive results. I am of the opinion that social media needs boundaries. Children need more supervision and do many of the adults these days. I have a two year old grand daughter who knows what the computer is and the cell phone and clearrly understands that those items are a focus for distraction. 2 years old and she gets it, doesn't know all the details just enough to get into trouble so to speak.
I never purchased a phone for my step-daughter and when my wife and finally decided to go that way we had the text portion turned off. You need me? you call me or leave me alone! I am simple that way. I text sometimes and it has a specific purpose.

Our children need to be busy with studies, sports, and or some form of physical labor so they will learn that if you are tired you'll be more apted to sleep and less opportunities to get into trouble. I have said I lived under an iron curtain and I got into all kinds of stuff even when I worked 6 days a week, went to school and had chores and so it ain't picture perfect but I learned if you work then you earn.

Many would disagree with my rant on rules and control because it violates individual freedoms. I am of the strong opinion that until you are a tax payer freedoms are just a word and now you have earned more freedoms since you are part of the solution instead of the problem. I believe we've gone so far over that we'll never find a middle in our society and maybe I am too old to understand things like our youth does? :peace:

Defyant · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:23 pm

I agree 6-71! Right on all fronts!

I made the mistake of getting my daughter an iPhone. She is not abusive with it, I like some features that give me more control, but in retrospect, there really is no need for it. My step son got his facebook at 15. We have the passwords and monitor it. Thankfully, he doesnt spend much time on it. Though, he has posted some profound stuff for only being 15.

6-71 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:35 pm

Well good for you because you are engaged with your family and it is what being a parent is all about. I don't believe I should be my childs friend as much as I should be viewed as the one who has your back. Now having one's back doesn't mean they never get into trouble or I prevent them from having to be responsibile for the acts they may have been involved in. Having there back means I'll do what I can so they learn from mistakes and know that maybe at that moment I may judge them but I won't forsake them unless they are total idiots I need to bale and let life's tough love learn'm because I couldn't.

We might not be able to change a lot of habits but maybe we should try do things different from tomorrow forward and the results will be different if we hold firm and don't cave to their wants and needs every time they whine. :yikes:

gtvert01 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:33 am

That's the big thing, be involved. Even when they don't want you there they really do want you there. They won't admit that but they do. Also hug them often and tell them you love them. I make sure I do that everyday before I leave for work and when I get home from work. I ask them how school went that day also. Usually it is "Just boring school Dad." Then they'll ask me about work and I'll say "Just boring work." LOL!

6-71 · **Posted:** Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:04 am

My roots are Scottish and hugging and affection weren't given out just those cold looks when we screwed up.

This gun control deal could be better institutioned if there was less politics and more proactive means. Our world is so into making a buck that once these laws and regulations are in place the system will have circumvented a means to get around these regulations. For regular folk we'll get jammed up but for those with money and a means it will be the amounts that will have changed and the products will still be available.

That NRA commercial is spot on when you look at people with importance and how they are protected. If I had the means I'd be protected because I could be protected.

We need to help the people in New York, New Jersey, we need to enhance our shores so that what happened in the northeast can't happen again with such force and damage on our shores. Next we need to get this frigging spending under control and stop helping countries like France with there internal wars and save our money for more domestic issues. And if we need armed security in our schools and other places where people gather they need to be in shape and not fat out of shape heart attacks waiting to happen. Have current quals and be ready to act when necessary! And about these mentally challenged people on the loose? Crownsville has been closed for a long time because of money and so how exactly to we herd these people in need and keep dangerous tools and weapons out of there grasp?

This whole deal is really big and we need to act on it like eating a elephant----one bite at a time and show some damn progress and get the approval of the population since we are all getting bent over because of complacency! I couldn't do any better of a job if I were elected because of the turmoil that is embedded right now. But these professionals need to step up and take control over the issues and mitigate a solution, that ain't asking for too much is it? :headscratch:

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